Tuesday, August 28 2012, 8:35AM
“I think we can probably say that the Bishops of Chelmsford and Brentwood represent the views of more Christians than PakefieldPonc does.PakefieldPonc's sole argument seems to be that anyone who disagrees with him wants Britain to be an Islamic state.Ask yourself this, PakefieldPonc - what possible motivation, whatsoever could the people who you have accused in this thread (that would be the Bishops, Tony Blair, Tessa Jowell, Momojojo and the entire "British Establishment" ) have for Britain becoming an Islamic state?Also please (as you have failed to do so far) address my rebutal of your ludicrous claim that "Christian staff are barred from sharing their religious beliefs" in the NHS and "As under Blair and Brown, Christians are banned from preaching the Christian Gospel in public " PakefieldPonc, I think we can safely assume, is a paranoid nutter.”
Monday, August 27 2012, 4:57PM
“Momojojo, your ignorance of the Christian faith is staggering. The 2 said bishops do NOT represent all Christians in Essex, far from it. You have to seriously question the genuine conversion and commitment of a church leader who supports the promotion of another religion. These 2 lefty wets certainly do not speak for me as a Christian nor for thousands of other Christians. They are a couple of Judas'.In common with most English local authorities, especially in London, the Havering app for a multi-cultural church was turned down simply because it was Christian. A similar app by a non-Christian faith group would have been welcomed with open arms by the traitors that sit on this (and most other) local councils.As for political footballs, you and those like you need to take a long hard look in the mirror. You are manipulating this controversy to denegrate Christianity and British/English identify, history and culture. You aim appears to be to turn GB into an Islamic state. A case methinks of Frankenstein's monster!”
Sunday, August 26 2012, 1:51PM
“Packfieldponc,You haven't evidenced why the Havering application was turned down.Another interesting silence within your comments is your failure to acknowledge that all faith groups signed up to the United Chelmsford initiative in opposing the EDL. This inlcuded both the Bishop of Chelmsford and the Bishop of Brentwood whose respective dioceses include Havering.This leads me to conclude you are using this matter as a political football to suit your own agenda.”
Sunday, August 26 2012, 1:16PM
“Sorry Pakefieldponc but your comment below is so laughable, ridiculous and just plain factually incorrect I had to say something!You give two examples, over 20 years, of Christian churches being denied planning permission to justify your claim that it happens "constantly".You say NHS staff are banned from speaking about Christianity. I work for the NHS and never once have I been told not to speak about my beliefs. We have priests and pastors constantly on call for when patients need them and worship rooms with Bibles (as well as Korans etc) in every hospital.You even go as far as claiming Christians are banned from preaching the bible in public? Taking that at face value it seems you are saying church services are illegal. Even if it just the case (as I suspect) that you have a bad command of the English language, and you mean preaching outdoors , of church land is illegal - this is equally (totally) factually incorrect.How can you believe this rubbish? Surely , despite the fact I am sure you have deeply ingrained prejudices and feelings of being "hard done by" - which no doubt have clouded your vision and judgement - the evidence of your own eyes and ears shows you that there is no ban on preaching the Bible in public?If that is not enough to convince you then please, direct me to the piece of legislation or ruling which validates your comment "As under Blair and Brown, Christians are banned from preaching the Christian Gospel in public"God, give me strength!”
Sunday, August 26 2012, 12:50PM
“I suspect you're not aware of many things, Momojojo!Allow me to dispell your ignorance with the facts. In the L B of Havering in recent years a planning proposal by a large multi-cultural church for a church in Havering was turned down. Further afield, in Swindon, for the past 20 years, Labour and Tory-run councils have continually turned down a planning proposal for a Pentecostal church on land owned by a Pentecostal denomination. I am certain there are many other such examples of Christians facing discrimination over church planning proposals, which I would encourage others to share.This anti-Christian sentiment in GB was spawned under the last Labour government. We all remember the likes of Tessa Jowell and other Labour MPs in trying to ban Christimas cards, Christmas carol services, the wearing of Christian insignia in schools and hospitals. Anti-Christian feeling is strongest amongst the leftist public services. State schools discriminate against Christian pupils and teachers, for example, in Havering, one school prohibited Gideons from talkin to pupils and giving out New Testament and Psalms. Other Essex schools have banned Christian Unions, whilst encouraging Moslem societies.The NHS is probably the most anti-Christian of all public services. Bibles are banned from wards. Whilst NHS staff may openly talk about faiths, such as Islam, Buddhism etc, Christian staff are banned from sharing their religious beliefs. To their shame, the ConDems are every bit as hostile to Christianity as New Labour. Persecution of Christians continues in the NHS. The Tories tried to impose a tax, which failed, on historic buildings - aimed specifically at churches. As under Blair and Brown, Christians are banned from preaching the Christian Gospel in public - a centuries old British tradition. No such restriction is placed on proponents of other religions. Indeed, Christian preachers have been arrested for preaching the Christian message by the police, and received threatening 'phone calls from the police regarding alleged remarks made in their sermons concerning sexuality.I could continue with many more examples of just how anti-Christian the UK authorities have become. This is just a small taste.Hostility to Christianity is also seen in the private sector. Take BA, who sacked an air hostess for wearing a cross.Clued up, realistic and honest commentators, like Peter Hitchens, have publically stated that Britain, shamefully, is becomingly increasingly anti-Christian (and anti-British identity, culture and history). The aim of the British establishment seems to be to denegrate Christianity (and the British identity, culture and history), with the aim of promoting Islam, presumably, with a view to creating an Islamic republic. Chelmsford is one small example of this frightening trend.”
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